GPA to test score conversion?

[Olback]

Ok this might be a silly question but as an Australian i have no idea how to convert a GPA average into a test score. I was really hoping there was a simple way to do this so that i knowwho to recruit.

I.e I am South Carolina and i need a test score of 920 what level of GPA is needed for that?

Also when a potential recruit/parent says that 'academics is important' and they have a low GPA does that mean they want to go to a non academic school or ones with a high score?

Thanks in advance.

[sporkimata]

They are two very different things. Gpa is a measure of how good they are doing in school, if they go below 2.0 than they get the dreaded academic suspension. Test score is a measure of test they take to get into college. I have found that I like to get guys from mid 2.5 all the way to 4. Though a lower score can still be worth the risk, especially small schools. I woud guess youd wanna stay in high 2.0's like 2.9 or higher,

[Olback]

Thanks for the help. So 920 as a test score is not huge then? i.e people with GPA of approx 3 will be fine?

[jksander]

It's 920 out of 1600. 800 is the bare minimum to qualify for Division I. 1600 is a perfect score, very rare. You just have to bear in mind that some kids who do well in school don't do well on standardized tests. I had a 3.3 GPA in high school and managed an 1100 on the SAT. My sister had a 3.9 GPA and got only an 1130 on her SAT. Conversely, I had a friend who did badly in school, 2.3 GPA I believe, but he was really good with the kind of subjective questions you'd get on the SAT ... he pulled a 1430. (That probably would never happen in TCB, it's just such an unlikely result.) So the best advice I can give is this: if a kid's GPA is below 2.4, odds are he'll get above an 800. Your school needs a 920 though, so there's the chance he won't get the required score. But if you stick with 2.5 GPA +, you should be fine. I had a school where you needed 1000. To get that, I rarely recruited anyone below 3.0, and I considered a 2.6 or a 2.7 a pretty big risk. But it's fairly random in the game, you have to think smart and keep backups available to recruit (and money to do recruiting) in case a kid does fall through ... it happens ;)

[CraigInTwinCities]

Ok this might be a silly question but as an Australian i have no idea how to convert a GPA average into a test score. I was really hoping there was a simple way to do this so that i knowwho to recruit.

I.e I am South Carolina and i need a test score of 920 what level of GPA is needed for that?

Also when a potential recruit/parent says that 'academics is important' and they have a low GPA does that mean they want to go to a non academic school or ones with a high score?

Thanks in advance.

Olback, hopefully this can help. Here's an explanation of test score.

Gary seems to be basing them of the SAT (scholastic aptitude test) scores. The SATs are divided into two halves. One half of the test measures verbal aptitude - stuff like English and language ability. The other half measures mathematics and related logic (like geometry, etc.) skills.

A perfect score on the SATs is 1600, with 800 points coming from each half.

By US measures, anyone getting around a 1200 or better is Ivy League material, meaning they could get into Yale and Harvard and keep their heads above water academically.

I believe the US average back when I went to college in the mid-80s was around 960, though in the 21st century here I believe that's fallen quite a bit and a lot of colleges will accept student-athletes with 800 or so. Which is really low.

So 920 would be a solid, but not spectacular academic standard for admission.

And please, no one flame me if I'm off on the Ivy League standard... I'm going off memory and the top of my head here!

Non-athletes usually need much better than these minimum test scores to get into the better universities.

As for school grades, I try never to recruit someone who is averaging below a 2.8, and that usually keeps me pretty safe once the SAT scores come out.

I can't remember my SAT scores very well anymore, but I know I was in the top one percentile (99%) in the nation on my verbal and I was only in the top third in math/logic (somewhere around 68%) so if I remember correctly, I was around a 1280-1330 on the SATs... or close to it. But I wasn't a student-athlete, I was a bookworm, LOL. I was definitely Ive League-eligible from an academic standpoint, but since my family could never have afforded that, I chose a more affordable and local state university.

Hope this helps despite the personal ramblings...

[Olback]

thanks for the help... makes it alot more clearier.

[OlCoach]

The important point here is to be aware of the academic standards of your school. (You can see the minimum SAT on the Team Info pane). If the minimum SAT is below 900, it's a pretty lax school academically.

Most generally I agree with the others here who try to avoid any recruit whose GPA is below 2.5. I've taken chances on 2.2 to 2.4 while coaching at schools with low standards, and I'm just as likely to be burned as to have them qualify. The question I have is what happens to those kids? It'd be nice if there was a way for them to be put into a Juco holding file and turn up again a couple of years later as Juco recruits who remember the way you recruited them in high school.

The penalty, of course, is that after you offer the scholarship you cannot revoke it. You are likely to have that scholarship locked up all season waiting for them to qualify sometime in March. By that time, if they flunk there are very few good recruits left.

If that happens I try to keep visiting the recruit as much as I can through the year - sometimes it keeps them from committing elsewhere but not always. It makes the season's sim go much slower but that's what happens when you take risks.

[CraigInTwinCities]

The penalty, of course, is that after you offer the scholarship you cannot revoke it. You are likely to have that scholarship locked up all season waiting for them to qualify sometime in March. By that time, if they flunk there are very few good recruits left.

Whatchu talkin' 'bout, Willis? I have revoked scholarships after offering them before... And generally, if you stay in touch heavily with a couple backups, you'll have SOMEONE to turn to...

[Deedsy]

I think Olcoach meant that if they sign a letter of intent, the offer can't be revoked.

[CraigInTwinCities]

I think Olcoach meant that if they sign a letter of intent, the offer can't be revoked.

Huh. Never had that happen yet. In one league I'm in, a recruit had given me a verbal or an LOI (can't remember which) and when he didn't pass the SATs, the university revoked the scholarship... but I had several weeks left to influence recruits and try to replace him...

But that league is still going, so I don't know how successful I will be; but when I re-tendered that scholarship, I offered to a recruit well above the SAT requirement, and who listed me #1 on his list, so hopefully I'll be OK.

[Randy Chase]

I can't find it at the moment, but when I first started playing the game I kept a log charting GPA to SAT results. That gave me some baseline numbers to use in judging how those borderline kids "might" score on their SAT tests.

Next time I run across the chart (I know its in a binder somewhere here in my cluttered office), I'll post the results.

[Olback]

I can't find it at the moment, but when I first started playing the game I kept a log charting GPA to SAT results. That gave me some baseline numbers to use in judging how those borderline kids "might" score on their SAT tests.

Next time I run across the chart (I know its in a binder somewhere here in my cluttered office), I'll post the results.

cool thanks :)

[Randy Chase]

I haven't found my full chart, but I did find the handwritten tally sheet I kept while I was accumulating data. This should give you some idea of what to expect from GPA's when they take the SAT's. (I won't bother with the higher range - since I was only concerned with the kids at the bottom I didn't bother tracking the high GPA's.)

GPA: AVG SAT Range
2.1 870 680-920
2.2 880 830-920
2.3 900 860-980

Once I had some comfortable averages, I quit tracking data and just made some firm decisions based on my schools academic requirements. I don't waste my time, for example, with the 2.1 and 2.2 kids; but I'll take a chance on the 2.3 kid if he's a really great prospect.

[Deedsy]

[QUOTE=CraigInTwinCities;9041]Huh. Never had that happen yet. In one league I'm in, a recruit had given me a verbal or an LOI (can't remember which) and when he didn't pass the SATs, the university revoked the scholarship... but I had several weeks left to influence recruits and try to replace him...

You are right the school will revoke the scholorship if they don't have a high enough test score, but the coach can't remove the offer after the verbal or LOI.

[OlCoach]

Huh. Never had that happen yet. In one league I'm in, a recruit had given me a verbal or an LOI (can't remember which) and when he didn't pass the SATs, the university revoked the scholarship... but I had several weeks left to influence recruits and try to replace him...
That will only happen after he fails his SAT. Technically, he can't sign an LOI until he qualifies. They get the full season to qualify, and meanwhile I don't see an option for revoking the scholarship offer once the player has verballed but not signed an LOI. That's what I meant by losing that scholarship until he actually fails his SAT and the university revokes.